Curse

DreamWind · Oct 15, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by rohara

i begrudgingly bought all 4 panes when they went on sale. i still think the price is ridiculous, but i don't think anet will make them any cheaper anytime soon.

Thankfully for Anet, you are exactly the type of sucker they are looking for. I'm so glad the points I made in this thread a long time ago still hold up.

Riot Narita · Oct 15, 2009, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

$10 - Additional character slot to play on, +100 plat available storage, +50 item slots in regular bags/pouch, +20 weapon/armor storage if I get a heavy pack, +1 weapon slot, +1 shield/focus slot, +5 armor slots for runes.

or...

$10 - +20 slots.

The math doesn't favor the storage panes at all.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT ALREADY

Why do people keep posting the same thing again and again, that everybody already knows. We all bought accounts or char slots for extra storage space years ago, before storage panes existed. We know what we get vs panes.

You don't buy panes for raw storage, you buy them if you think the price is worth it for convenient access to stuff you're already storing.

rohara · Oct 15, 2009, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Thankfully for Anet, you are exactly the type of sucker they are looking for. I'm so glad the points I made in this thread a long time ago still hold up.

sucker? i wouldn't say that. clearly anet wasn't satisfied with the sales figures for the storage panes, hence the sale. the boycott worked fairly well, imo - we did force the price down a bit. i think the folks who are buying these discounted panes are doing a good thing by showing anet that we're willing to pay for this stuff, but only if the price is more reasonable. i bet if they reduced the price to $5/pane or offer a package deal on all 4 panes the sales would skyrocket.

Kumu Honua · Oct 15, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by Hissy

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT ALREADY

Why do people keep posting the same thing again and again, that everybody already knows. We all bought accounts or char slots for extra storage space years ago, before storage panes existed. We know what we get vs panes.

Clearly just to piss you off. Look, I posted my reasons why I "boycotted" the storage panes. Which is the whole point of the poll. If you didn't like the premise of the post, then the solution is to press the little red X in your browser.

For the rest: Rehashed answers! Mmmm. Hash...

wilderness · Oct 15, 2009, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Boycott? I don't think my not purchasing the upgrades is a boycott per se. It's just that I do not think the panes hold enough value to justify the price.

As someone else said recently in this necro thread, $10 for all 4? I'd pay that. If not, I can just pay the same price to get an additional character slot.

$10 - Additional character slot to play on, +100 plat available storage, +50 item slots in regular bags/pouch, +20 weapon/armor storage if I get a heavy pack, +1 weapon slot, +1 shield/focus slot, +5 armor slots for runes.

or...

$10 - +20 slots.

The math doesn't favor the storage panes at all.

Your mathematics don't include the convenience of not needing to switch between mules to access items. I much prefer having the stuff I need close to hand for when I need it so the panes make more sense than extra char slots.

Not saying they shouldn't be a little cheaper, though. $5 is more than reasonable, imo.

Riot Narita · Oct 15, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Look, I posted my reasons why I "boycotted" the storage panes.

Yes, you did. You don't think they're value for money. Cool.

But then you followed it with the usual maths, that compares raw storage per dollar from a char slot vs a pane. Pointless, because nobody buys panes just for for raw storage.

The only point about "value", is whether you think the convenience of panes is worth their price. What you get for buying an account or char slot instead... is not relevant, and I just wish people would stop banging on about it as if it was. And posting the maths :-P

Dzjudz · Oct 15, 2009, 11:27 AM // 11:27

I bought them for convenience. I don't want to start up GWx2 every time I want to access a rune or a consumable or whatever...

Kumu Honua · Oct 15, 2009, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Hissy

What you get for buying an account or char slot instead... is not relevant, and I just wish people would stop banging on about it as if it was. And posting the maths :-P

Of course it's relevant. It's relevant because it applies to my situation, and since it's repeated by many others as you say (I really can't be arsed to read 58 pages to see it duplicated...) then it's apparent that it's relevant to many.

I answered the original post. I entered my opinion in the poll, and stated the reasons behind it in the thread. I really didn't care to have a discussion about my choices. They are what they are and nothing said here can change that.

The math is perfect for me.

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Originally Posted by wilderness

Your mathematics don't include the convenience of not needing to switch between mules to access items. I much prefer having the stuff I need close to hand for when I need it so the panes make more sense than extra char slots.

That's because that convenience isn't a factor in my decision not to buy storage panes.

Riot Narita · Oct 15, 2009, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Of course it's relevant.

No.

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

it's apparent that it's relevant to many.

No, it's apparent that many do not understand the point of storage panes, and continue with their apples-and-oranges comparisons of buying accounts or char slots instead.

Dzjudz · Oct 15, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Guys you can stop arguing around in circles. It's very simple:

People who like convenience over storage space -> storage panes

People who like storage space over convenience -> new accounts

People who don't like spending money on either -> 4th year anniversary, that's it

All options are valid and a personal choice, no need to attack a person for choosing a different option than you.

/thread

Phineas · Oct 15, 2009, 12:43 PM // 12:43

I would only deem the additional storage panes 'convenient' if, after buying all the available upgrades, I would have enough space in the chest to hold at least 1 of everything in the game. But there are far more things to collect than than there will be space to store them.

As things are, buying a pane can only make it more convenient, but still not the definition of convenient.

As soon as I must log another char the convenience goes out of the window.

I want convenience, but I don't need convenience. In terms of real 'need', zero panes should be enough.

JR · Oct 15, 2009, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

This thread is useless: there's already something called "the market" that'll send a message to Anet, if few people buy additional storage they'll know the pricing wasn't right. No need to petition.

This. ^

Welcome to capitalism my friends.

DreamWind · Oct 15, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by JR

This. ^

Welcome to capitalism my friends.

That doesn't prevent me from calling it stupid, Anet ridiculous, and anybody who buys it an idiot though.

Introverted Dimensions · Oct 15, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

"The 200,000 units of GW they still sell each quarter, which should actually cover such costs and dev work on GW2."

You say that as if you were one of the developers and honestly knew anything about how much it could cover. Don't be such a fool.

HOMIE_G64 · Oct 16, 2009, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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"The 200,000 units of GW they still sell each quarter, which should actually cover such costs and dev work on GW2."

You say that as if you were one of the developers and honestly knew anything about how much it could cover. Don't be such a fool.

True. We don't know the exact amount of copies they sell (developers and publishers have been known to "fudge" the truth), we don't know how much it costs to make Guild Wars 2, and we don't know how much it costs to maintain Guild Wars right now. Also, ANet is not an indie company and does not need to fund their own projects. ANet receives funding from the publisher (NCSoft) but is probably required to meet a certain revenue. We have no clue whether or not $10 storage panes are legitimate pleas for financial support or just another way to get more money.

If I were to venture a guess however, I would guess in the negative. 200,000 copies of around $40 games has historically been a very small amount, and seeing how ANet is not offering a lot of items for microtransaction, I would say ANet is not making as much as it had been back in the best days of Guild Wars.

Juhanah · Oct 16, 2009, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

That doesn't prevent me from calling it stupid, Anet ridiculous, and anybody who buys it an idiot though.

The idiots aren't the one offering a service or the one paying for it. The idiots are the people who think they should get every extra luxury service for free.

Not like Arenanet owe you anything.

talisk3 · Oct 16, 2009, 02:46 AM // 02:46

They can't make it free now.
Else everyone who bought it would be RAMPAGEING

DreamWind · Oct 16, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Juhanah

The idiots aren't the one offering a service or the one paying for it. The idiots are the people who think they should get every extra luxury service for free.

Not like Arenanet owe you anything.

So let me get this straight...people who argue that they don't want in game things sold for real money are the idiots, yet people who complain about high prices and then support it anyways by buying it aren't? Sweet.

I don't agree with ANYTHING being sold in game for money. If they sold gold would that be considered "just a luxury they are selling" as well?

Juhanah · Oct 16, 2009, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

So let me get this straight...people who argue that they don't want in game things sold for real money are the idiots, yet people who complain about high prices and then support it anyways by buying it aren't? Sweet.

I don't agree with ANYTHING being sold in game for money. If they sold gold would that be considered "just a luxury they are selling" as well?

If they buy it and still complains then yes they have a problem. But they want it for free like if Anet owed it to them. Like when they wanted bonus mission pack for free and extra character slot for free.

If they sold gold in GW1 it would just be luxury because gold have no impact on game play. It only have an impact on people's ego. To buy cute weapons that can only be seen by a maximum of 32 people at a time. People who mostly don't even care and will probably not even notice anyway.

The only thing that have impact your success in Guildwars is between your 2 ears. Other than that it's just greed and luxury.

Extra storage is a luxury. It is available, but in no way required.
If it was required to play and win the game, then it would be a whole new story.

headlesshobbs · Oct 16, 2009, 09:19 AM // 09:19

If it were an unlockable feature to view all character's inventories at once from storage, I'd bet everyone who bought panes would be pissed, but because of the $9.99 deal that's still going around we'll never see it.

Seems everyone's claim for "convenience" happens to be the popular excuse for covering their little investment when all you need to do is learn how to manage your stuff more properly. Keep what you need in the trunk, let the mule's carry the extra.

Fool's and their money are so easily parted.